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《孟子·梁惠王下》1B.16:后丧逾前丧,不是礼坏而是贫富不同

乐正子替孟子辨明:后一次丧礼之所以看起来更厚,不是礼义失度,而是前贫后富,能做到的器用与衣衾不同。这章也适合放回与民同乐、战争判断与政治责任这一问题链中理解。

鲁平公将出,嬖人臧仓者请曰:「他日君出,则必命有司所之。今乘舆已驾矣,有司未知所之,敢请。」公曰:「将见孟子。」曰:「何哉,君所为轻身以先于匹夫者?以为贤乎?礼义由贤者出;而孟子之后丧逾前丧。君无见焉!」公曰:「诺。」乐正子入见,曰:「君奚为不见孟轲也?」曰:「或告寡人曰,『孟子之后丧逾前丧』,是以不往见也。」曰:「何哉,君所谓逾者?前以士,后以大夫;前以三鼎,而后以五鼎与?」曰:「否,谓棺椁衣衾之美也。」曰:「非所谓逾也,贫富不同也。」乐正子见孟子,曰:「克告于君,君为来见也。嬖人有臧仓者沮君,君是以不果来也。」曰:「行或使之;止或尼之。行、止,非人所能也。吾之不遇鲁侯,天也。臧氏之子,焉能使予不遇哉?」

lǔ píng gōng jiāng chū, bì rén zāng cāng zhě qǐng yuē:「tā rì jūn chū, zé bì mìng yǒu sī suǒ zhī。 jīn chéng yú yǐ jià yǐ, yǒu sī wèi zhī suǒ zhī, gǎn qǐng。」 gōng yuē:「jiāng jiàn mèng zǐ。」 yuē:「hé zāi, jūn suǒ wéi qīng shēn yǐ xiān wū pǐ fū zhě? yǐ wéi xián hū? lǐ yì yóu xián zhě chū; ér mèng zǐ zhī hòu sāng yú qián sāng。 jūn wú jiàn yān!」 gōng yuē:「nuò。」 lè zhèng zǐ rù jiàn, yuē:「jūn xī wéi bú jiàn mèng kē yě?」 yuē:「huò gào guǎ rén yuē,『mèng zǐ zhī hòu sāng yú qián sāng』, shì yǐ bù wǎng jiàn yě。」 yuē:「hé zāi, jūn suǒ wèi yú zhě? qián yǐ shì, hòu yǐ dài fu; qián yǐ sān dǐng, ér hòu yǐ wǔ dǐng yǔ?」 yuē:「fǒu, wèi guān guǒ yī qīn zhī měi yě。」 yuē:「fēi suǒ wèi yú yě, pín fù bù tóng yě。」 lè zhèng zǐ jiàn mèng zǐ, yuē:「kè gào wū jūn, jūn wéi lái jiàn yě。 bì rén yǒu zāng cāng zhě jǔ jūn, jūn shì yǐ bù guǒ lái yě。」 yuē:「xíng huò shǐ zhī; zhǐ huò ní zhī。 xíng、 zhǐ, fēi rén suǒ néng yě。 wú zhī bú yù lǔ hóu, tiān yě。 zāng shì zhī zǐ, yān néng shǐ yǔ bú yù zāi?」

英文参考译文

The duke Ping of Lu was about to leave his palace, when his favourite, one Zang Cang, made a request to him, saying, 'On other days, when you have gone out, you have given instructions to the officers as to where you were going. But now, the horses have been put to the carriage, and the officers do not yet know where you are going. I venture to ask.' The duke said, 'I am going to see the scholar Meng.' 'How is this?' said the other. 'That you demean yourself, prince, in paying the honour of the first visit to a common man, is, I suppose, because you think that he is a man of talents and virtue. By such men the rules of ceremonial proprieties and right are observed. But on the occasion of this Meng's second mourning, his observances exceeded those of the former. Do not go to see him, my prince.' The duke said, 'I will not.' The officer Yue Zheng entered the court, and had an audience. He said, 'Prince, why have you not gone to see Meng Ke?' the duke said, 'One told me that, on the occasion of the scholar Meng's second mourning, his observances exceeded those of the former. It is on that account that I have not gone to see him.' 'How is this!' answered Yue Zheng. 'By what you call "exceeding," you mean, I suppose, that, on the first occasion, he used the rites appropriate to a scholar, and, on the second, those appropriate to a great officer; that he first used three tripods, and afterwards five tripods.' The duke said, 'No; I refer to the greater excellence of the coffin, the shell, the grave-clothes, and the shroud.' Yo-chAng said, 'That cannot be called "exceeding." That was the difference between being poor and being rich.' After this, Yue Zheng saw Mencius, and said to him, 'I told the prince about you, and he was consequently coming to see you, when one of his favourites, named Zang Cang, stopped him, and therefore he did not come according to his purpose.' Mencius said, 'A man's advancement is effected, it may be, by others, and the stopping him is, it may be, from the efforts of others. But to advance a man or to stop his advance is really beyond the power of other men. My not finding in the prince of Lu a ruler who would confide in me, and put my counsels into practice, is from Heaven. How could that scion of the Zang family cause me not to find the ruler that would suit me?'

重点修订页

人工补强的解释层

核心问题

为什么孟子的“后丧逾前丧”不该被理解成礼坏或虚饰?

直接回答

因为关键不在表面厚薄,而在礼是否称于身份与当下能力。前后家资不同,所能尽于亲者自然不同,不能把贫时之限额硬当成永恒标准。

第一性原理

真正的礼,不是把所有人压成同一物质刻度,而是在不失其分的前提下,让人有机会尽到自己此时此地能尽的亲情责任。

为什么重要

这章适合承接“后丧逾前丧”“丧礼厚薄”“mourning and means in Mencius”这类搜索,也能补强本站关于礼与人情尺度的解释。

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